[[:IPG:3.3|3.3. 比赛失误~游戏进行过慢]] | [[:IPG|返回IPG目录]] | [[:IPG:3.5|3.5. 比赛失误~套牌问题]] ====== 3.4 Decklist Problem 套牌登记表问题 ====== Penalty 处罚 ===== DEFINITION 定义 ===== **The decklist is illegal, doesn’t match what the player intended to play, or needs to be modified due to card loss over the course of the tournament.**\\ ++套牌登记表发生以下问题之一:(1)套牌登记表不合法;(2)套牌登记表与牌手意图使用之套牌内容不符;(3)因在比赛过程中丢失牌张需要对套牌登记表进行修改。|\\ These are the major cases where the decklist has to be modified. An illegal deck, is a deck with not enough cards; too many cards in the sideboard, ambiguous cards names, or cards that are illegal for the format.\\ 这是套牌登记表必须被修正的几个主要原因。套牌张数不足、备牌张数过多、牌名模棱两可、包含非法牌张都会导致套牌非法。\\ While we use decklists to confirm that players do not change their decks over the course of the tournament, we do consider the physical deck to be the true representation of what the player intended to play, and we expect the decklist to represent the physical deck.\\ 虽然套牌登记表的用途是用来确认牌手在比赛过程当中不改变套牌的内容,我们仍应将实际的套牌内容视为牌手想要使用的套牌,并且期望套牌登记表的内容能够反映实际的套牌内容。\\ While a penalty for lost cards may seem harsh, players have the option to replace those lost cards with another copy; if they can find it. Additionally this discourages a potential cheating angle, where the player determines their land count is incorrect and would like to “lose” a card and replace with a land.\\ 虽然丢了牌还要吃判罚听起来过于严厉,但如果牌手能够找到其他同名牌的话,仍然能用其替代丢失的牌张。此外这也能阻止牌手利用这一条,在认为自己套牌地的数量不够时故意“丢”一张牌来换进一张地的作弊方法。\\ ++ **This infraction does not cover errors in registration made by another participant prior to a sealed pool swap, which should be corrected at the discretion of the judge.**\\ ++此违规不包含现开牌池交换之前由其他牌手犯下的登记错误。此类错误应在征得裁判同意后修正。|\\ In the case of a sealed pool, the registration was done by another player, and those errors were not made by the player playing the deck. We don’t want to penalize a player for a mistake made by another participant. Use your judgement to determine if they error can be corrected and do so.\\ 对于现开牌池而言,登记是由另一位牌手作的,所以登记错误并不是使用套牌的牌手的责任。我们不应因为他人犯下的失误惩罚牌手。使用你的判断力来决定错误能否修正,如能修正则如此做。\\ ++ ===== EXAMPLES 范例 ===== **A. A player in a Legacy tournament lists Mana Drain (a banned card) on their decklist.**\\ **A. 在薪传赛中,牌手在他的登记表上登记了Mana Drain(此为禁用牌)。**\\ **B. A player has a 56-card decklist. Their actual deck contains 60 cards, with four Dispels not listed.**\\ **B. 牌手的登记表上有56张。该牌手的套牌实际上有60张,其中四张云散/Dispel没有登记。**\\ **C. A player lists ‘Sarkhan’ in a format with both Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker and Sarkhan Unbroken.**\\ **C. 牌手的登记表上登记了“萨坎”,而该赛制中龙语者萨坎/Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker和重获新生的萨坎/Sarkhan Unbroken这两张牌均可使用。**\\ **D. A player loses some cards and is unable to find replacement copies, making them unable to play a deck that matches their decklist.**\\ **D. 牌手丢失牌张且无法找到同样牌张替换,令其无法用符合套牌登记表的套牌比赛。**\\ **E. A player registers Ajani, Valiant Protector, but they are playing Ajani Unyielding.**\\ **E. 牌手登记的英勇卫士阿耶尼/Ajani, Valiant Protector,但实际使用刚毅阿耶尼/Ajani Unyielding。**\\ ===== PHILOSOPHY 原则 ===== **Decklists are used to ensure that decks are not altered in the course of a tournament. Judges and other tournament officials should be vigilant about reminding players before the tournament begins of the importance of submitting a legal decklist, and playing with a legal deck. A player normally receives a Game Loss if their decklist is altered after tournament play has begun.**\\ ++套牌登记表是用以确定套牌内容没有在比赛过程中变动。|\\ As explained above, the decklist is a written record of what the player intends to play throughout the day. It’s important that judges have access to a reliable record of a player’s deck for investigations.\\ 正如上面所说的,牌表是为了记录牌手今天用的套牌是什么而登记的书面记录。在裁判调查套牌时,有一份可靠的记录是非常重要的。\\ ++ ++裁判和工作人员在比赛开始前,应该主动提醒牌手须登记合法的套牌登记表,也要以合法的套牌来进行比赛。|\\ Making announcements at the start of a tournament can prevent a lot of the errors that could occur in a tournament; for example, “check your decklists to ensure that you have at least 60 cards in your main deck and up to 15 cards in your sideboard”. Decklists are often a rushed last-minute job, so by providing extra time during a players meeting to check for last-minute issues many of these errors can be prevented.\\ 在比赛开始时进行诸如“请检查你的牌表确保有60张以上的主牌,和最多15张的备牌”的公告,能够避免比赛中可能出现的很多错误。交牌表总是一项匆匆进行、赶在最后才完成的任务,因此在牌手会议中留出一点时间来让牌手检查一下牌表能够避免出现很多牌表问题。\\ ++ ++如果牌手在比赛开始之后因故须更新牌表,他通常会受到一盘负之处罚。|\\ This sentence is to reinforce that when parts of this infraction require that the decklist be changed to match the deck that is being played the Game Loss penalty should also be issued. The sentence says “normally” because there is a corner case where the player is unable to replace a lost card, receives the penalty, yet later is able to replace it. In that case, we can change the list back to its original configuration without issuing a penalty.\\ 这句话是用来强调,这项违规需要修改牌表来符合套牌内容时,应当同时给予一盘负处罚。说“通常”的原因是在一种极端情况下牌手无法找到替代用的牌,得到了判罚,稍后又找到了替换用的牌。在这种情况下,我们可以将登记表改回其原本的状态,并不再给予判罚。\\ ++ **Penalties for decklist errors discovered outside the context of the match and its procedures (such as those discovered through decklist counting) are issued at the start of the next match unless the judge believes there is strong evidence the deck itself is illegal.**\\ ++在对局及其过程之外发现的套牌登记表错误(例如在清点套牌登记表时发现的),应等到下一局开始才执行,除非裁判相信有强烈的证据证明该套牌当前非法。|\\ If an error is discovered during a deck check, the penalty is issued immediately. The players aren’t playing. Issue the penalty. Apply the fix, and if the match isn’t over, get the players playing as quickly as possible.\\ 如果在套牌检查时发现了错误,判罚应立即给出。牌手并没有正在进行对局。给出判罚,然后应用修正,如果对局还没有结束,请牌手尽快继续比赛。\\ At events, judges will occasionally also check lists for legality outside of deck checks. If a problem is found with a list outside of a deck check, then the penalty should be assessed at the start of the next match. This is mostly for consistency. If we check a list and find a problem with 10 min remaining the the round, the current match may still be in progress, or may have finished. If it’s still going, that game loss will likely end the match. This means the penalty can effectively be harsher based on where in the stack of decklists the player’s list was. To balance this, we assess the penalties at the beginning of the next round. Now, this doesn’t apply if you feel the deck is illegal; for example, a Modern decklist containing Mental Misstep. You can inspect the library of the player. If the deck is also illegal, go ahead and issue the infraction. Otherwise, issue the penalty and resolve the fix between rounds, with the infraction taking effect at the beginning of next match.\\ 在比赛中,裁判在套牌检查之外也会偶尔检查牌表。如果在套牌检查之外的牌表中发现了问题,那么判罚将在下一局开始时给出。这主要是为了保持判罚的一致性。如果你在一轮开始之后10分钟发现一个牌表有问题,那么现在这一桌对局可能在进行,也可能已经结束。如果对局还在进行,那么你给出的一盘负的判罚将有可能直接结束这一局游戏。这意味着,牌手吃到这个判罚的严重程度取决于他牌表在一摞牌表中的位置。为了平衡这点,我们将这个判罚延后至下一轮开始的时候再给出。但是,如果你觉得牌手的套牌是不合法的,那么可以立刻给出判罚;比如说,一张近代赛的牌表中出现了心灵失足。你可以检查该牌手的牌库。如果套牌也是非法的,接下来请给出判罚。反之,如果套牌是合法的,在两轮之间给出判罚并执行修正,此判罚将在下一局开始时生效。\\ ++ **Ambiguous or unclear names on a decklist may allow a player to manipulate the contents of their deck up until the point at which they are discovered. Truncated names of storyline characters on decklists (planeswalkers and other legendary permanents) are acceptable as long as they are the only representation of that character in the format and are treated as referring to that card, even if other cards begin with the same name.**\\ ++登记表上模棱两可或是不明确的名称,会让牌手有机会在被发现之前操作他们的实际套牌内容。|\\ Writing down ambiguous or incorrect card names can be a player attempting to cheat. They could be attempting to give themselves some flexibility to modify their deck to match the field, while claiming they just took a shortcut writing down the name.\\ 写了模糊的或错的牌名的牌手可能说明牌手在试图作弊。他们可能是在尝试给自己的套牌留出一定的调整空间以应对环境,同时声称自己只是图方便写的简称。\\ ++ ++对于套牌登记表上故事角色的名字(鹏洛客及其他传奇永久物),只要在此赛制中含有该名称的合法卡片只有一张,便可允许使用该角色名字之缩写。这类简写被视为指代前述之合法卡片,而非其他具有相同开头名称的牌张。|\\ In the case of storyline figures, it is often easy to see which card a player means. If a player lists “4 Ulrich”, that player is unlikely to be talking about Ulrich’s Kindred, despite it beginning with the same series of letters. In this case of Legendary Permanents and Planeswalkers, there is an exception to the requirement that cards be listed by their full name, but the card names still need to be uniquely identifiable. Listing “4 Jace” on a Legacy decklist, however, is not be good enough, since there are multiple representations of “Jace” that are legal in the format. If judges allowed a player to list “4 Jace” without it being considered an infraction, a player could take advantage of the ambiguity by swapping between Jace, Memory Adept and Jace, the Mind Sculptor as necessary to gain an advantage without fear of ever receiving a Game Loss.\\ 对于故事角色的情况,通常我们很容易能明白牌手指的是哪张牌。如果一个牌手在牌表上写着“4 乌力奇”,那么他基本不可能指的是乌力奇同族,虽然其英文名称中开头的一个词是一样的。在传奇永久物和鹏洛客的例子中,你可以写他们的简写(而无需像其他牌一样必须写全名),但是写的名字仍然需要能够唯一地辨识出来。再比如,在薪传比赛的套牌登记表上写“4 杰斯”就并不满足要求,因为在薪传赛制中有许多个“杰斯”。如果因为裁判允许牌手写“4 杰斯”而不算违规的话,那位牌手便可以利用这个模糊的漏洞来任意替换自己套牌中的“心灵塑师杰斯”和“记忆专家杰斯” 而不用担心会得到一盘负。\\ ++ **The Head Judge may choose to not issue this penalty if they believe that what the player wrote on their decklist is obvious and unambiguous, even if it is not the full, accurate name of the card. In Limited tournaments, the Head Judge may choose not to issue this penalty for incorrectly marked basic land counts if they believe the correct land count is obvious. This should be determined solely by what is written on the decklist, and not based on intent given the actual contents of the deck; needing to check the deck for confirmation is a sign that the entry is not obvious.**\\ ++主审认为牌手所登记的信息明确且无歧义的情况下,就算牌手在套牌登记表上写下的名称并非牌张之准确全名,主审也可以选择不处罚牌手。在限制赛中,如果牌手错误地标记了基本地的数量,但属于主审认为可明显推知其正确地牌数量的情况下,主审也可以选择不处罚牌手。主审在进行此判断时应仅根据套牌登记表上书写的内容来进行,不得参考套牌的意图或实际组成来确定;倘若需要检查套牌来进行确认,便表明所登记的牌名不够明确。|\\ Checking and confirming the cards in the deck against the decklist in this situation causes unnecessary work for the deck check team. If the error is extremely obvious and the correct card name can only be one thing, then there is no ambiguity. If the error is obvious, there is truly no question of what the card is. There is not even a reason to check. In those cases, the HJ is allowed to choose not to issue a penalty. It’s not even a warning. However, not all judges see ‘obvious’ the same way. Some tend to be a little too loose and free with what obvious means. To determine if obvious is obvious enough, use these guidelines: If you have to spend time debating if it’s obvious, it’s not obvious. If you have to actually check the deck to see what they are really playing, it’s not obvious enough. For example “U/B Shockland” is an obvious card, so is Temple of B/G. I do not need to look at the actual deck to know what either of those are. Same with ‘Bob’. ‘Goyf’ is riskier, but the author feels that is just on the side of ‘ok’.\\ 检查并确认这些套牌中的牌是否符合牌表会给套牌检查组带来不必要的工作。如果错误非常明显、且正确的牌名只有一种可能,那么就没有歧义。如果错误太明显,那么它所指的牌应该不存在疑问,甚至连套牌都不用去检查。在遇到这种情况时,主审可以选择不给判罚,甚至警告都不用。但是,并不是所有裁判所认为的“明显”都是一样的。一部分人可能对于“明显”的标准太宽松了。去判断牌名是否足够“明显”,你可以使用下面这些标准:如果你需要讨论一下这个牌名是否明显,那么不够明显。如果你需要检查他的套牌来确认是哪张牌,那么不够明显。举例来说“蓝黑新圈”或者“黑绿占卜地”是一个可以接受的写法,我不需要去查他的套牌就能知道这张牌是什么。“Bob”(黑暗亲信的昵称)也是一样。而“耶夫”就不那么靠谱了,但是笔者认为这些仍勉强算在“够明显”的那一类。\\ Now what about a situation where the player writes down the wrong card name, such as Temple of Malady in the B/R deck that physically runs Temple of Malice, and it is caught during a deck check. Is it a clerical error? Probably. Is it obvious that the meant Temple of Malice? Not by looking solely at the decklist. So this scenario would not be eligible for a downgrade.\\ 写错牌名的情况也是会有的,比如在一套黑绿套牌里把疫病殿堂写成了恶意殿堂,然后在套牌检查的时候被发现了。这是笔误么?有可能。但是能够明显看出应该是疫病殿堂么?只看牌表的话无法断定。因此这个情况下不能降级处罚。\\ Toby Elliot wrote a wonderful blog detailing what is and is not to be considered 'obvious' and it is located on his blog at: http://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2014/05/27/of-course-they-do-it-must-be-obvious/\\ Toby Elliot就“哪种算明显,哪种算不明显”写了一篇非常好的博文:http://magicjudges.cn/of-course-they-do-it-must-be-obvious/\\ ++ ===== ADDITIONAL REMEDY 进一步的修正 ===== **If the decklist contains illegal cards, remove them.**\\ ++如果套牌登记表包含不合法的牌,则移除这些牌。|\\ The steps for the remedy are performed in order. The first thing you want to do is remove any illegal cards from the list. If the illegal cards are also in the deck, remove them too.\\ 修正的步骤应当按顺序进行。你应当作的第一件事就是移除牌表上所有非法的牌张。如果套牌中也有非法的牌,将其一并移除。\\ ++ **Alter the decklist to match the deck the player is actually playing. If the deck/sideboard and decklist both violate a maximum cards restriction (usually too many cards in a sideboard, more than four of a card, or the same card in two decks in a Unified Constructed format), remove cards as directed by the player to make the decklist legal.**\\ ++将登记表按照实际使用的套牌组成进行更改。|\\ To fix the error, we want to ensure that the player is playing what they intended to play – we do not force the deck to match the decklist; instead we alter the decklist to reflect the deck. The deck that a player has presented is more frequently what he or she intended to play.\\ 为了修正这个问题,我们需要去确认牌手正在用的套牌是什么样的——我们不会把套牌改成牌表那样,而是将牌表改成套牌那样。牌手所呈现的套牌更可能是他所期望的套牌形态。\\ ++ ++如果套牌/备牌和套牌登记表同时违反最大张数限制(一般为备牌数量过多,同一张牌超过四张,或在使用“套牌联合构组规则”的赛制中于多于一副套牌内使用了同一张牌),则根据牌手的指示移除牌张,确保套牌登记表合法。|\\ In this case you need to remove cards from the players deck. The player decides what they remove in order to make the quantity of cards legal. In the case of Unified Constructed Team formats, the team can decide who is the player that needs to change their list. The result is, the player whose decklist changes gets the Game Loss. The players may discuss this, but they may not take too long. This may result in a “strategic decision”, but that’s an acceptable consequence. \\ 在这种情形下,你需要从牌手的套牌中移除牌张。牌手可以决定移除哪些牌,使得套牌的张数合法。在联合构组团队赛制中,团队可以决定哪位牌手需要修改其牌表,结果就是修改牌表的那位牌手获得一盘负。牌手可以进行讨论,但不能花费过多的时间。虽然这会导致「战术讨论」,但也算是可接受的结果。\\ ++ **If the deck contains too few cards, the player chooses to add any combination of cards named Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain or Forest to reach the minimum number. Alter the decklist to reflect this. These changes may be reverted without penalty if the player is subsequently able to locate identical replacements to legal original cards.**\\ ++如果套牌张数过少,该牌手选择加入任意组成且牌名为平原、海岛、沼泽、山脉、或树林的牌,直到满足张数下限为止。然后照此更改套牌登记表。|\\ While some decks might start out with too few cards, some decks will drop below a legal amount after illegal cards have been removed. In addition, cards may be lost and the player unable to find replacements. To fix these problems, judges can add Plains, Islands, Swamps, Mountains, or Forests of the player’s choice to his or her deck, so that it becomes playable. Because some formats have special restrictions on Snow-Covered basics or Wastes, and their availability is not guaranteed, they are not allowed.\\ 除了有些套牌本就缺少牌张以外,在移除非法牌张之后一些套牌也会减少至不足合法张数下限。此外,牌手一旦丢牌,也可能会找不到替代品。要修正这类问题,裁判让该牌手选择平原、海岛、沼泽、山脉或树林加入他的套牌中,使套牌合法。因为一些赛制对雪境基本地和荒野有特殊限制,并且也无法保证能提供这些地牌,因此不允许在此使用它们。\\ ++ ++如果牌手之后能够找到与原本合法牌张相同的卡牌加以替代,则可以复原此更动,不会再度处罚。|\\ If lost cards are found, it’s ok to remove the additional basic land cards and allow the player to play with the cards that are supposed to be in their deck.\\ 如果稍后找到了丢失的牌,可以接受让牌手移除替代用的基本地牌,并用本应在其套牌中的那些牌继续比赛。\\ ++ [[:IPG:3.3|3.3. 比赛失误~游戏进行过慢]] | [[:IPG|返回IPG目录]] | [[:IPG:3.5|3.5. 比赛失误~套牌问题]] {{page>:规则和文档索引&nofooter}}